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Message #3 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 13-Apr-94 14:18
From: Jason Linefsky
To:   All
Subj: necormancers cave
Next Reply is Message #12

Is there anybody who thinks that they can help me.  Please tell me what to
do.
I am currently following the path of the necromancers, and can't go any
further.  I walked into a room with a stone throne, and I was transported to
the cave I am in.  In the northeast section of the cave there is an empty
trapped chest and a dead body with dirt and an executioners head on it.  In
the southeast there is armor and a bag.  When you head west you pass two
spitters and end up with a lake of lava in front of you.  What do I do, where
do I go?   If you think your smart enough to answer this please write me
back with the answer.  I know someone out there has to know the answer.


Message #5 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 14:33
From: Brian Plexico
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Pyros
Next Reply is Message #31
More: [Y]/N/C?
   Can you tell me how to get to the fire Titan?  I've done the air and earth
plots, and I'm in the middle of doing the Hydros plot but I can't find the
fire Titan to stop the storms??
   Also when I use the Air thing on the Air Titan the game locks up on me..
Is that supposed to happen or is it a lock up??  I have 8megs ram and a 486
66 with 2meg smartdrv cache and the rest Extended memory.  Thanks for any
help you can give me.
Brian Plexico


Message #7 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 14:42
From: Ken Atkinson
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: After Intering
Next Reply is Message #32

        Hi again.  I've just intered Lithion ( the former necromancer) and
have been informed that I have to make a pilgrimage.  Where do I go and who
do I have to see?  Do I have to go to the pit of doom, what signs do I
follow?
        You're help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


Message #12 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 15:17
More: [Y]/N/C? From: Brendan Lai
To:   Jason Linefsky
Subj: Re: necormancers cave
Previous Reply is Message #3.  Next Reply is Message #86

if you head to the lava lake, you jump across to the other side. once  there
you'll see a block will litho's sign. jump to the sign and you'll  get
transported to the next level.

Message #13 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 13-Apr-94 15:21
From: Brendan Lai
To:   All
Subj: G-Kor's cave
Next Reply is Message #33

I need help on G-Kor's cave. I have talked to the 3 statues but I still
can't get into the cave. I picked up the key by the skeleton but it
doesn't work on the door. And how do I start on the Water trials?? I  have
become an acolypte but after that nothing happens.....

Message #14 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 13-Apr-94 15:25
From: Rob Johnston
To:   All
Subj: Fire Titan
Next Reply is Message #34
More: [Y]/N/C?
Help!  I have gotten the Heart of Earth and Breath of Wind... I have  talked
to Hydros and freed her... Also, Devion wont give me the Tear of  teh Sea (or
wahtever)... But I cannot find the path to the fire portion  of the game!  I
know of a place with two double doors where one goes up  when the other goes
down, but when I got there and pulled the lever  once, the lever broke... I
really hope that thats not the way to the  fire titan, because it won't let
me pull the lever any more... Anyways  any help would be appreciated!

RobJ

Message #15 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 13-Apr-94 15:32
From: Steven Burns
To:   All
Subj: Double Doors
Next Reply is Message #35

Can anyone tell me how to get to the double doors that I need to create  a
golem to get through.  I am in the catacombs/tomb and have been  wandering
around forever, but I just keep going in circles.  I found it  once and I
thought it was by the locked door that says something like  "travel to your
fate", but now I'm lost.
Any help would be graetly appreciated.
Steven Burns

Message #16 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
More: [Y]/N/C? Date: 13-Apr-94 15:45
From: Sam Vertz
To:   All
Subj: I'm stupid and cant get the Necromancer's dagger.
Next Reply is Message #36

        Please help i can't find the key i need to open the door in Mordreas
room to get to the treasure chest to supposedly get the dagger for the
necromancer.  If anyone can tell me where to find either the right keys or
more keys please do.  Also where is some good armor.  Also is 25 as high as
your abilities will go?


Message #17 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 13-Apr-94 15:07
From: Pat Dietz
To:   All
Subj: Necro spells
Next Reply is Message #18


Can anyone tell me how to cast the first two spells the necromancers give
you  in the necromancers caves.  I've got the reagents, I;ve tried using the
key on  the bag,I've tried putting them in my hands but nothing happens.  I'm
talkiong  about Death Mask and Stone skin spells.

More: [Y]/N/C?
Message #18 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 15:58
From: Jason Gillman
To:   Pat Dietz
Subj: Re: Necro spells
Previous Reply is Message #17.  Next Reply is Message #20

Okay, to cast the death speak spell, put ONE pile of bones and ONE vial of
blood in a bag, then double click on the key of the caretaker, You MUST have
this to cast necromancer spells, you get it from Vividos, in the cemetary,
then a cross-hairs pops up, click on the bag, viola a drama-esque mask, then
when you want to use it, double click on the token, and cross-hairs pop up,
then click with that on the dead necro you want to speak with.

To use the open earth spell, you put the regeants in the bag, make sure
you're  only using the right regeants AND that you only put ONE in then
double click  on the key of the caretaker then on the bag, instant open earth
token,  but  you can only use this at certain places...Good luck


Message #19 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 13-Apr-94 16:02
From: Jason Gillman
To:   All
Subj: Lithos?
More: [Y]/N/C? Next Reply is Message #58

Here's the problem: I can't seem to find him, I reached the stone cove,
passed through the light beam room, opened the door, jumped around on a ton
of disappearing platforms and finally reached a solid area that leads
nowhere, closest thing I can find ia teleporter that takes me back, in the
shape of a  rune, where am I supposed to go from here? Do I need to kill the
troll? Help!!


Message #20 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 16:28
From: Pat Dietz
To:   Jason Gillman
Subj: Re: Necro spells
Previous Reply is Message #18.  Next Reply is Message #61

>JG  Okay, to cast the death speak spell, put ONE pile of bones and ONE

No I can cast those, the ones I am having trouble with are the Death Mask
and  Stone Skin spells you learn in the necromancer caves.


Message #21 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 17:17
From: Noah Haskell
To:   Dan Orzulak
More: [Y]/N/C? Subj: Ultima 8: Is it working right?
Next Reply is Message #37

This is the second letter I have written you and I am assuming my first got
destroyed by the virus.  I am curious as to weather or not my ultima 8 copy
is  working correctly.  I purchased the CD to HD version of the game because
of  the fact that the speech pak was included in the price, But the only
speech I  get is the guardian everytime I save telling me how great he is.
Is this all  the speech there is or is there more to come.  If that is it
then you probably  have many unhappy fans who may pay twenty bucks extra for
near nothing.
     Another problem I have is in the initial load of the game.  I get a
soild black screen for nearly 10 to 15 seconds.  This is highly unusal
because I have a 486/66 with a VLB motherboard and a SCSI hard drive.  Is
this game  really that powerful?  Finaly, There is no Intro to the game, I
just wake up  next to a guy fishing, What ever happened to Ultima's world
famous long drawn  out graphical intro's.  If I was new to Ultima I probably
would have returned  the game after the first half hour, but because I am a
true fan I am willing to endure and pursue!  I would GREATLY appreciate a
response!

P.S. I think it's time to get some more nodes of your system, I NEVER get
through, only get past the busy signal about 5% of the time!

More: [Y]/N/C?
Message #23 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 13-Apr-94 17:22
From: Michael Hauck
To:   All
Subj: stuck on pilgrimage
Next Reply is Message #38

        Can someone help me?  I am on the pilgrimage specified by the
necromancer and have run into a dead end.  I have gone through the door with
the plaque that says something about fate.  From there, I have used the open
ground spell to go deeper into the maze.  After jumping across a pool of
water, I end up in a room with a bunch of "rolling shperes".  I have no idea
where to go.  Along the way I have passed a few locked doors but have found
no  keys for them.  Any ideas?


Message #24 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 16:58
From: Jeb Dunn
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Sercerors
Next Reply is Message #29

Devon told me to go to the Sorcerors to see if they could help to trap
Hydros.  He said across the river of lava in the catacombs.  Well,  could you
please tell me how to get there?
More: [Y]/N/C?
Message #25 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 17:38
From: Andrew Blix
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: help!
Next Reply is Message #30

I just bought the CD to HD version of Pagan the other day and I am completely
lost.  I have never played an Ultima game before, and would appreciate a few
hints at the start.  For example, I don't know whether or not I am supposed
to steal junk or try to buy it.  I also don't know what items I should be
carrying, and how to fight, or for that matter, why to fight.  I have been
wandering around and I just entered a catacomb type cave at the north of
Tenebrae and fell into a pit with a scroll.  I don't know how to get out of
the pit or even if I'm supposed to BE in the pit.  Also, how do I get spells
and open locked doors and become a better fighter?  I would appreciate any
help you could offer.  Thanks!
                                                        Andrew Blix


Message #29 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 17:48
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Jeb Dunn
Subj: Re: Sercerors
More: [Y]/N/C? Previous Reply is Message #24.

Hey Jeb,

>JD  Devon told me to go to the Sorcerors to see if they could help to
>JD  trap Hydros.  He said across the river of lava in the catacombs.
>JD  Well, could you please tell me how to get there?

You will need to return to Stone Cove and go to Daemon's Crag, the very last
entrance after Carthax.  You will then be in the lava tubes.

Layterz,
Jerm...


Message #30 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 13-Apr-94 17:51
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Andrew Blix
Subj: Re: help!
Previous Reply is Message #25.

Hey Andrew,

>AB  I just bought the CD to HD version of Pagan the other day and I am
>AB  completely lost.  I have never played an Ultima game before, and
More: [Y]/N/C? >AB  would appreciate a few hints at the start.  For example, I don't know
>AB  whether or not I am supposed to steal junk or try to buy it.  I also
>AB  don't know what items I should be carrying, and how to fight, or for
>AB  that matter, why to fight.  I have been wandering around and I just
>AB  entered a catacomb type cave at the north of Tenebrae and fell into a
>AB  pit with a scroll.  I don't know how to get out of the pit or even if
>AB  I'm supposed to BE in the pit.  Also, how do I get spells and open
>AB  locked doors and become a better fighter?  I would appreciate any
>AB  help you could offer.  Thanks!

YOu won't learn magic until later in the game, it is part of the plot.  If
you don't know how to fight, you should look in the owners manual for the
game, it is all explained in there.  As for why you should fight, it will
build up your  strength as well as some of the things you kill will be
carrying valuable  items.  If you listened to what Devon told you, you need
to go to the docks  and watch the murder, he also says to contact Bentic in
the library which is  in east Tenebrea.  Just listen to what people tell you
and you should be ok.

Layterz,
Jerm...


Message #31 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
More: [Y]/N/C? Date: 13-Apr-94 18:03
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Brian Plexico
Subj: Re: Pyros
Previous Reply is Message #5.

Hey Brian,

>BP     Can you tell me how to get to the fire Titan?  I've done the air
>BP  and earth plots, and I'm in the middle of doing the Hydros plot but I
>BP  can't find the fire Titan to stop the storms??

You will need to return to Stone Cove, and go to Daemon's Crag past Carthax.
This is the beginning of the Lava tunnels and the Fire Plot.


>BP     Also when I use the Air thing on the Air Titan the game locks up
>BP  on me.. Is that supposed to happen or is it a lock up??  I have 8megs
>BP  ram and a 486 66 with 2meg smartdrv cache and the rest Extended
>BP  memory.  Thanks for any help you can give me.
>BP  Brian Plexico

You may want to try creating an XMS boot disk as per the install guide.
Also  if you installed with Smartdrv enabled, it can corrupt files.  If you
More: [Y]/N/C? did  install with smartdrv enabled, I would suggest re-installing after
booting  with the boot disk.

Layterz,
Jerm...


Message #32 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 13-Apr-94 18:09
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Ken Atkinson
Subj: Re: After Intering
Previous Reply is Message #7.  Next Reply is Message #70

Hey Ken,

>KA          Hi again.  I've just intered Lithion ( the former
>KA  necromancer) and have been informed that I have to make a pilgrimage.
>KA   Where do I go and who do I have to see?  Do I have to go to the pit
>KA  of doom, what signs do I follow?
>KA          You're help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Have you gone to the Hall of the Mountain King?  If not then you will need
to  go to Stone Cove, which is in the far south east corner of the upper
catacombs  just past where you fall through the floor to find the
More: [Y]/N/C? Necromancers.  There is a door there you must go through, then once you are
through the door, head immediately south go all the way south.  You will come
to an area with a gate that slides up after some stalagtites drop down, flip
the lever and go through  the gate.  This is Stone Cove, you will need to
cast create golem on the dirt  in front of the double doors.  Then go through
the double doors and you are on  the way to the Mountain King.

Layterz,
Jerm...


Message #33 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 18:10
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Brendan Lai
Subj: Re: G-Kor's cave
Previous Reply is Message #13.  Next Reply is Message #50

Hey Brendan,

>BL  I need help on G-Kor's cave. I have talked to the 3 statues but I
>BL  still
>BL  can't get into the cave. I picked up the key by the skeleton but it
>BL  doesn't work on the door. And how do I start on the Water trials?? I
>BL  have become an acolypte but after that nothing happens.....
More: [Y]/N/C?

You need to get the cerimonial shield and place it in front of the statues.

The Water plot starts after you have done the AIR plot, have you done that
yet?  If so, tell me everything you did in the air plot.

Layterz,
Jerm...


Message #34 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 18:12
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Rob Johnston
Subj: Re: Fire Titan
Previous Reply is Message #14.  Next Reply is Message #69

Hey Rob,


>RJ  Help!  I have gotten the Heart of Earth and Breath of Wind... I have
>RJ  talked to Hydros and freed her... Also, Devion wont give me the Tear
>RJ  of teh Sea (or wahtever)... But I cannot find the path to the fire
>RJ  portion of the game!  I know of a place with two double doors where
More: [Y]/N/C? >RJ  one goes up when the other goes down, but when I got there and pulled
>RJ  the lever once, the lever broke... I really hope that thats not the
>RJ  way to the fire titan, because it won't let me pull the lever any
>RJ  more... Anyways any help would be appreciated!

Go back to Stone Cove and head past Carthax to get to Daemon's Crag.  This
is  the start of the fire plot.

Layterz,
Jerm...


Message #35 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 18:16
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Steven Burns
Subj: Re: Double Doors
Previous Reply is Message #15.  Next Reply is Message #72

Hey Steven,

>SB  Can anyone tell me how to get to the double doors that I need to
>SB  create a golem to get through.  I am in the catacombs/tomb and have
>SB  been wandering around forever, but I just keep going in circles.  I
>SB  found it once and I thought it was by the locked door that says
More: [Y]/N/C? >SB  something like "travel to your fate", but now I'm lost.
>SB  Any help would be graetly appreciated.
>SB  Steven Burns

You need to go to Stone Cove.  Go past the room with no roof that you fall
through the floor to get to the Necros.  And head for the far southeast
corner of the upper catacombs.  There will be a door by a bunch of skeletons,
go through the door and head immediately south.  Go all the way south and
flip the lever to get through the gate after the stalagtites fall.  Then go
through  the gate, and you are in Stone Cove.  Right in front of the double
doors is  the ground you need to create golem on.

Layterz,
Jerm...


Message #36 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 18:17
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Sam Vertz
Subj: Re: I'm stupid and cant get the Necromancer's dagger.
Previous Reply is Message #16.  Next Reply is Message #73

Hey Sam,

More: [Y]/N/C? >SV          Please help i can't find the key i need to open the door in
>SV  Mordreas room to get to the treasure chest to supposedly get the
>SV  dagger for the necromancer.  If anyone can tell me where to find
>SV  either the right keys or more keys please do.  Also where is some
>SV  good armor.  Also is 25 as high as your abilities will go?

You will need to talk to Arimina to get the key to Mordea's chest and
closet.
Then if you look under the pillow in Mordea's throne room, you will find the
key to her bedroom.
25 is as high as your attributes go.

Layterz,
Jerm...


Message #37 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 18:27
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Noah Haskell
Subj: Re: Ultima 8: Is it working right?
Previous Reply is Message #21.

Hey Noah,

More: [Y]/N/C? >NH  This is the second letter I have written you and I am assuming my
>NH  first got destroyed by the virus.  I am curious as to weather or not
>NH  my ultima 8 copy is working correctly.  I purchased the CD to HD
>NH  version of the game because of the fact that the speech pak was
>NH  included in the price, But the only speech I get is the guardian
>NH  everytime I save telling me how great he is.  Is this all the speech
>NH  there is or is there more to come.  If that is it then you probably
>NH  have many unhappy fans who may pay twenty bucks extra for near
>NH  nothing.

Well, actually you will get speech from the Guardian taunting you, and all
of the major plot people, like Lithos.  The enhanced CD will have full speech
and  the add-on included.  Understand that the enhanced version takes EXTRA
programming therefore extra time, and the only reason we released this on a
CD to install to the hard-drive at the same time the disk version was
released, was because our CUSTOMERS requested it.

>NH       Another problem I have is in the initial load of the game.  I
>NH  get a soild black screen for nearly 10 to 15 seconds.  This is highly
>NH  unusal because I have a 486/66 with a VLB motherboard and a SCSI hard
>NH  drive.  Is this game really that powerful?  Finaly, There is no Intro
>NH  to the game, I just wake up next to a guy fishing, What ever happened
>NH  to Ultima's world famous long drawn out graphical intro's.  If I was
More: [Y]/N/C? >NH  new to Ultima I probably would have returned the game after the first
>NH  half hour, but because I am a true fan I am willing to endure and
>NH  pursue!  I would GREATLY appreciate a response!

You may or may not get an intro if you are using QEMM.  If you want to see
the  intro, you will need to create an XMS boot disk as per the install guide
instructions.

I understand your frustration about having to leave another message, however
it is not Origin's fault that the message base was destroyed.  You may want
to express your concern ALL in the general message area, so that the person
who  uploaded the VIRUS will not do it again.  We run a Virus scan every day
on the  board, however a virus can always slip through, which is what
happened in this  case.   And short of requiring people to request access
before uploading  something, the only thing you or I can do is express our
anger towards the  person who uploaded the virus in the first place.

Layterz,
Jerm...


Message #38 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 18:34
From: Dan Orzulak
More: [Y]/N/C? To:   Michael Hauck
Subj: Re: stuck on pilgrimage
Previous Reply is Message #23.  Next Reply is Message #56

Hey Michael,

>MH          Can someone help me?  I am on the pilgrimage specified by the
>MH  necromancer and have run into a dead end.  I have gone through the
>MH  door with the plaque that says something about fate.  From there, I
>MH  have used the open ground spell to go deeper into the maze.  After
>MH  jumping across a pool of water, I end up in a room with a bunch of
>MH  "rolling shperes".  I have no idea where to go.  Along the way I have
>MH  passed a few locked doors but have found no keys for them.  Any
>MH  ideas?

You will need to go to the building where a plaque reads "Toward Fate You Do
Travel".  Also, on the south side there is a plaque reading "Don't Look
Now".
Use the key Scion to open this door and then enter.  Go down stairs and west
across the lava until the passage turns north.  At this location there is a
dead body with a book that talks about Zealans and their Ceremonial Shield.
Go north, through the door and continue in the that direction PAST some
rolling spike balls, and a double-door on the WEST wall.  Then head EAST,
follow it in that direction until the passage breaks off into a Three way
More: [Y]/N/C? split.  Go west, the way you came from, North to a fenced in area, and East
to  a square room with a locked door on the North wall, and five levers with
a  chest in the center.
If you need further help, let me know.

Layterz,
Jerm..


Message #39 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 18:57
From: Todd Dick
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Hydros+
Next Reply is Message #87

     I was the Master of the sorcerers and then freed Devon and he told me
that the sorcerers would help me recapture Hydros. I was told that in order
for them to help I had to free Devon before I met the sorcerers, so I went
back to a previous save game. When I talked to the sorcerers they said
nothing about capturing Hydros. Please tell me exactly what I must do in
either save game (in the later save I have the Tear and the Tongue).
     I also want to know how to learn the spell Quakes. I found the  scroll
but it says I need to hear the spell from Lothian's lips.
     Thanks,
More: [Y]/N/C?            Todd
P.S.-Do you know if there is another way to get the reagents bat wing,
dragon blood, serpent scale, and eye of newt beside buying them       from
Mythran(they are expensive)?
P.P.S.- Where is Kilandra's daughter?

Message #40 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 13-Apr-94 19:08
From: Todd Dick
To:   All
Subj: pilgrimage

     If there is no Morien's birthplace how do I complete the pilgrimage
Vividos sent me on?
     Thanks,
           Todd

Message #41 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 13-Apr-94 18:39
From: Matthew Bastek
To:   All
Subj: What the heck?

This is my first time writing a message on this BBS, so forgive me if I did
something wrong.  My problem is with "PAGAN". I did the Necromancers quest
(except for the birthplace or Moriens' thing), I climbed the wall to
Kumash-Gor's tomb using some skeleton parts (so I cheated) and used the
More: [Y]/N/C? teleport disk to get out. I've also released Hydros, but never talked to her.
right now I'm stuck on the Theurgist part, I can't find Xavier's Foci. I
think  I know who has it, but I can't get it from him (Torwin). Now I know I
shouldn't have cheated so much (I climbed all over the place in the
catacombs), but does this mean I did something wrong? I can't get past this
Theurgist thing, and I'm worried that I'm doing things in the wrong order
because I was cheating. Please help.


Message #49 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 20:04
From: John Parmley
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: necromancer fun
Next Reply is Message #92

I'mI I hope you can help me.  It is hard to know if I am on the right track
after reading everyone's messages.  I talked to the last necromancer, went to
stone cove, through the double doors and got as far as the blue
light/mushroom  area.  I got through the next door and can go either north or
south to pools  of water with floating rocks.  I really hate those things.
Where do I go from  there.  Do I cross the north pool or the south pool or
neither (Don't I wish).
DOn't get me wrong, this is a great game but some of the arcade type
aspects are kind of a pain in the butt.  Especially when it takes so long (on
More: [Y]/N/C? my machine anyway) to load or save a game.  Thanks in advance for the help


Message #50 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 20:15
From: Brendan Lai
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Re: G-Kor's cave
Previous Reply is Message #33.  Next Reply is Message #54

I placed the shield in front of the statues but the door behind is stil
locked. Where's the key?? The key by the skeleton doesn't fit either.  For
the air plot, I have taken the breath of air and freed Hydro. What  next?? I
went to the socerers and had a failed attempt to get info from
Pyros. Do i have to kill the Master to get the tongue of fire??

Message #52 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 20:26
From: Eric Levin
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Mythran
Next Reply is Message #94

How come when I buy reagents from Mythran they keep disappearing???
How do you cast the Thaumaturgical spells?

Thanks, Eric
More: [Y]/N/C?
Message #53 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 13-Apr-94 21:15
From: Nathan Day
To:   All
Subj: Lots of stuff


        Ok I heard that there was a place were there is lots of stuff like
the  deciver, gorgns fang and a ton of other stuff.  I thought it was by the
torture chair in the stone cove place but I cant seem to find. If anybody
knows were it is can they please tell me

                        Thanx
Nate


Message #54 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 20:52
From: David Golden
To:   Brendan Lai
Subj: Re: G-Kor's cave
Previous Reply is Message #50.  Next Reply is Message #57

I seemed to have done things in a backwards kind of way. I did the water plot
before the air plot and some other things that I don't think I should have
been able to do.  If you want to get past the doors after you have placed the
shield down, do what I did to get there in  the first place. I created a
golem to open every door to get there.   The golem will even open those
doors.  It uses alot of reagents but it  works.

Message #56 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 13-Apr-94 23:08
From: Michael Hauck
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Re: stuck on pilgrimage
Previous Reply is Message #38.  Next Reply is Message #59


>DO  You will need to go to the building where a plaque reads "Toward Fate
>DO  You Do Travel".  Also, on the south side there is a plaque reading
>DO  "Don't Look Now".
>DO  Use the key Scion to open this door and then enter.  Go down stairs
>DO  and west across the lava until the passage turns north.  At this
>DO  location there is a dead body with a book that talks about Zealans
>DO  and their Ceremonial Shield. Go north, through the door and continue
>DO  in the that direction PAST some rolling spike balls, and a
>DO  double-door on the WEST wall.  Then head EAST, follow it in that
>DO  direction until the passage breaks off into a Three way split.  Go
>DO  west, the way you came from, North to a fenced in area, and East to a
>DO  square room with a locked door on the North wall, and five levers
>DO  with a chest in the center.
>DO  If you need further help, let me know.
>DO
>DO  Layterz,
>DO  Jerm..
>DO

        Thanx for the reply, but I am stuck a little bit farther than where
you left off in your message.  The "rolling spheres" I am talking about are
the little red, green, and blue ones that are past the fence puzzle area,
which is right before the five levers.  My present location is the area
around the cerimonial shield.  I have read the book about the Zealans and
have seen the cerimonial shield, which is right around the corner from the
"rolling spheres" room.  So my questions are the following: what are the
rolling spheres for, how do I get the cerimonial shield, and how do I open
all the  locked doors I have seen in the area around the shield?  I look
forward to  your response.

Michael Hauck


Message #57 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 00:38
From: Steve Holmes
To:   Brendan Lai
Subj: Re: G-Kor's cave
Previous Reply is Message #54.  Next Reply is Message #71

all you have to do is use the scroll with the secret door spell on it, and it
will unlock the door for you.


Message #58 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 00:40
From: Steve Holmes
To:   Jason Gillman
Subj: Re: Lithos?
Previous Reply is Message #19.

Right before you see that symbol that transports you back to the beginning is
the long hall way.  If you look carefully, there are two passages going west
along the long hallway.  In the one further to the south you will find a
chest  with a lot of potions in it, make sure you move them around so you can
find  the key hidden underneath them.


Message #59 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 00:42
From: Steve Holmes
To:   Michael Hauck
Subj: Re: stuck on pilgrimage
Previous Reply is Message #56.  Next Reply is Message #74

The easy way around all of those lock doors is just to create a golem and
have  him open them for you.


Message #60 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 01:04
From: Andrew Riffel
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Finding door to leithos
Next Reply is Message #96

I have finished the path of the necromancer's and am now supposed to find
Stone Cove. I have read your answers to other people's question's but can't
find the door you are talking about. The room where I fell through is gone
now  and only a ghoul that doesn't move is where it used to be. I go to the
east and then south and find a door. When I go through this door and go south
I come to a dead end with a pit of skeletons off to the west, but no gate or
falling stalagmites. If I go east from this door I can cross a pool of water
and on the other side is a read gate with two orbs of electrcity on top, but
going through this also leads to a dead end. Please help me I'm going crazy.
This is the best of the ultima games in my opinion but i'm quickly getting
frustrated by this problem.

                                             Thank You
                                             Andrew


Message #61 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 01:10
From: Jason Gillman
To:   Pat Dietz
Subj: Re: Necro spells
Previous Reply is Message #20.  Next Reply is Message #141

If you've already learned thos spells and are using the right amount and kind
of regeants, by the by wood is a little green pile with twig-like things
popping out, not the actual tree-byproduct. If all of the above is right,
talk  to the Sysop sounds like a install problem.


Message #62 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 00:59
From: Steve Holmes
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Air and Water Plot
Next Reply is Message #97

O.K. I thought if I ever got stuck I could just read all the messages and
answers and squek by the tough spots, imagine my extreme shock when I read
your message about the very bad person who uploaded the virus.  I just feel
sorry for you guys who have to kill the virus then put up with all of us
unhappy BBS user's, well things happen you know.

My question is this.  I did the earth plot and killed K-Gor and recieved the
blackrock tip of his, is the the stone of earth everyone is talking about?  I
then continued on to the air plot where I passed all the tests and became an
Adept of Stratos, and asked her to give me the breath of life.  She said
Stellos knew where it was, but she wouldn't give it to me.  So I talked to
him and he said it was with her, so I went back to her, and still no luck.
Also,  how do I start the water plot, I talked to Devon, and he says nothing
about  nothing.  So please help me

Thanks,

Steve Holmes


Message #69 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 01:58
From: Steve Holmes
To:   Rob Johnston
Subj: Re: Fire Titan
Previous Reply is Message #34.  Next Reply is Message #79

Could you please tell me where you got the Heart of Earth?s


Message #70 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 01:50
From: Karl Schulz
To:   Ken Atkinson
Subj: Re: After Intering
Previous Reply is Message #32.

YOU GO TO THE UPPER CATACOMBS WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN BEFORE AND FIND
A BUILDING WITH THE SIGN TO YOUR FATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
USE THE KEY OF SCION TO ENTER. GO WEST PAST LAVA, THEN  N TO
TO THE BAT, READ BOOK, GO N THRU THE DOUBLE DOORS. YOU ARE IN THE
ZEALEN QUEST. GO N THEN E THEN S TO END OF PASSAGE. TRAPPED SHES
[A
R
SORRY, AFTER GOING THRU THE DOORS GO EAST THEN SOUTH TO END OF PASSAGE.TAKE
THE SKULL OF QUAKES FROM CHEST.  THEN GO BACKTRACK TO
THE SPLIT OF THREE DIRECTIONS[EAST YOU JUST DID] THEN GO N .
GATES ARE OPENED BY PRESSURE PLATES. BUT YOU WILL NEED TO CLIMB
TO GET OUTTA OF HERE.THEN GO N , THRU DOORS, N, NW  DOUBLE WALL ON WEST
DOUBLE DOOR ON WEST PASSAGE EAST   GET KEY BY FOLLOWING PASSAGE
E THEN S THEN W.  MOVE SKULL CANDLES TO CONTROL FIRE SHOOTTERS.
THEN RETURN AND GO N.
THIS WILL HELP YOU GET STARTED. BESURE THAT BEFORE YOU START THIS
QUEST THAT YOU HAVE THE ZEALEN SHIELD FROM MYTHRAN WALL
ALSO LIE THE SHIELD ON THE ALTAR BY THE STATUES.

Message #71 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 01:52
From: Karl Schulz
To:   Brendan Lai
Subj: Re: G-Kor's cave
Previous Reply is Message #57.  Next Reply is Message #78

BESURE THE SHIELD IS ON THE ALTAR AND USE MYTHRAN MAGIC SCROLL
TO OPEN THE DOORS.

Message #72 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 01:55
From: Karl Schulz
To:   Steven Burns
Subj: Re: Double Doors
Previous Reply is Message #35.

YOU NEED THE KEY OF SCION FROM VIVODOS AFTER YOU HAVE COMPLETED
THE NERCO QUEST. THIS WILL OPEN THE DOOR "OF FATE" FOR THEZEALAN
QUEST. SEE MY PRIOR MESSAGE.

Message #73 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 01:57
From: Karl Schulz
To:   Sam Vertz
Subj: Re: I'm stupid and cant get the Necromancer's dagger.
Previous Reply is Message #36.

FIRST GET KEY FROM MORDEAS SERVANT AT BLOODWATCH.ASK APPROPIATE  QUESTIONS
KEY FOR BEDROOM IS IN MORDEAS THRONE ROOM UNDER THE SKULL CUSHION

Message #74 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 02:00
From: Karl Schulz
To:   Michael Hauck
Subj: Re: stuck on pilgrimage
Previous Reply is Message #59.  Next Reply is Message #112

SEE MY PRIOR MESSAGES TODAY. THAT SHOULD HELP YOU. I SPENT DAYS
FIGURING THIS OUT.

Message #75 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 01:31
From: Jerry Ezell
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: ??????

Hi

        I've seen other measages that pertain to the Kumash Gor quest. I'm
stuck in the area that has the colorful rolling balls and the fence that you
are suppost to throw a skull over to rised pedistal on the other side. How do
you throw it over the fence I have been trying for hours and the best that i
can do is drop it to the other side.

                                       Thanx


Message #77 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 02:29
From: Billy Lei
To:   All
Subj: necormancers

I was stuck in the catacomb. After I took back the stick and executioner's
hood to Vividos, Lothian was killed. I used the Open Gate spell to open the
entrence to the catacomb. After I get in the catacomb, I found no way to go.
There are couple doors, but none of them can be open without a key. In fact,
I only found one key which is for opening an empty chest!!! Could anyone help
me to find those dead necormancers? I used the Death Speak on couple of the
dead body, and I noticed that THEY must not those I was looking for!!! As
well, those  undead creatures were really hard to fight! Please, I really
need help!  Any help will be appreciated!!! Thank you!
                                                            Billy

Message #78 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 02:41
From: Jason Hasenbuhler
To:   Brendan Lai
Subj: Re: G-Kor's cave
Previous Reply is Message #71.



        Use the key of the Scion...if you don't have it, talk to Vividos..


                              Hope that helps..

                                    Jay


Message #79 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 02:43
From: Jason Hasenbuhler
To:   Rob Johnston
Subj: Re: Fire Titan
Previous Reply is Message #69.  Next Reply is Message #124



      That is the way to the fire titan...oh no! Guess you'll have to start
over...

         Just kidding...I had the same problem there. There is a switch, on
a post to the left of that broken switch. It's really hard to see, but once
you know where to look you'll find it. Throw the switch and use the Scion key
on  the door. The Sorceror's Enclave awaits..

                                         Jay


Message #80 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 02:52
From: Jason Hasenbuhler
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Hydros, Pyros, and miscellaneous..


       I have recently become the Sorceror Master and am now having a bit of
trouble completing the Water quest and finding the Heart of Earth..

       I freed Hydros, got the Tear blackrock, but I don't know what to do
next. I returned to Hydros' chamber, but she's not there anymore. What do I
do  to trap her again? That fog is getting quite annoying.

     Also I do not know if I'm supposed to destroy Pyros or not. I tried
using  the Tounge of Flames on his Pentagram, but that just started an
unending  meteor shower and turned the screen red. I don't think that was the
proper  method.

     Now I'm happily tromping through the Pit of Death, where I assume the
key  to the Covencile(SP?) of Death is located. No luck so far..

              Any help would be appreciated..


                                    Jay


Message #81 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 02:58
From: Jason Hasenbuhler
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Lockup at Stratos..

I'm writing about this again because I assume my last message was erased..


         I've encountered the same problem with Stratos - I use the Breath
of  Air on her and then my Avatar is teleported to a strange place floating
above  the stars. Two pillars on either side adorn the area, and have faces
engraved  upon them. This would be all fine and dandy except for the fact
that I cannot  move, cannot open the diary, and cannot access my inventory,
save games,  options, or just about anything else. The mouse cursor still
moves and can  move bags around that were opened before I teleported so it is
not a complete  lockup. Also cntrl-X to exit to dos still works...

      I read the previous messages about reinstalling and therefore
undertook  the fearsome task of deleting U8 and re-running the install
program under a  bare-bones config (as per the install guide - only my CD-ROM
driver was  different from the book, as I have the CD>HD version of the game)
I re-copied  my save games after that and tried again - still locked up in
the same manner.

     Since, at the time, I had not completed the Fire or Water Quests, I am
assuming that I just tried to jump the event timer and it caused weird things
to happen..

        Let me know when I should complete this quest, if possible, because
jumping around on those floating rocks is not very fun..:)

                                        Thanx, Jay


Message #82 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 06:23
From: Brett Johnson
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Ultra Sound support?
Next Reply is Message #102

Hello,

I saw the patch in the upload directory that allowed Ultima 8 to run with
the  Gavis Ultrasound, What ever happened to this? And where can I currently
get  this if I want it?

Thank you,

Brett Johnson


Message #85 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 09:27
From: Brendan Lai
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Ether Travel

Help!! I have got the breath of air, tongue of fire, tear of ..... and
the heart of earth. I have talked to Mythran and he told me to get the
Ether travel spell. But he kept saying I am not prepared for the spell.
How do I make him change his mind???

Message #86 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 09:34
From: Chad Stevens
To:   Jason Linefsky
Subj: Re: necormancers cave
Previous Reply is Message #12.

Hey, I think I can help you.  Run through the corridor with the  explosions.
Go to the left side, search the body to find a key.  Go to  the right side.
Cross the chasm, climb the wall.  Follow the wall  around until you can jump
to a raised platform standing by itself.  You  will be teleported the next
cite.

Message #87 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 11:20
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Todd Dick
Subj: Re: Hydros+
Previous Reply is Message #39.

Hey Todd,

>TD       I was the Master of the sorcerers and then freed Devon and he
>TD  told me that the sorcerers would help me recapture Hydros. I was told
>TD  that in order for them to help I had to free Devon before I met the
>TD  sorcerers, so I went back to a previous save game. When I talked to
>TD  the sorcerers they said nothing about capturing Hydros. Please tell
>TD  me exactly what I must do in either save game (in the later save I
>TD  have the Tear and the Tongue).
>TD       I also want to know how to learn the spell Quakes. I found the
>TD  scroll but it says I need to hear the spell from Lothian's lips.
>TD       Thanks,

If you have done air, then you went to the Fire plot before you have done
the Water plot and that is why they keep telling you to capture Hydros.  If
you have done the water plot then you just need to speek with Mythran and
learn the Etherial travel spell from him.  And continue from there.

>TD  P.S.-Do you know if there is another way to get the reagents bat
>TD  wing,      dragon blood, serpent scale, and eye of newt beside buying
>TD  them      from Mythran(they are expensive)?

The only way to get these is to buy them from Mythran.

>TD  P.P.S.- Where is Kilandra's daughter?

In the west portion of the graveyard.

Layterz,
Jerm...


Message #92 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 11:49
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   John Parmley
Subj: Re: necromancer fun
Previous Reply is Message #49.  Next Reply is Message #114

Hey John,


>JP  I'mI I hope you can help me.  It is hard to know if I am on the right
>JP  track after reading everyone's messages.  I talked to the last
>JP  necromancer, went to stone cove, through the double doors and got as
>JP  far as the blue light/mushroom area.  I got through the next door and
>JP  can go either north or south to pools of water with floating rocks.
>JP  I really hate those things.  Where do I go from there.  Do I cross
>JP  the north pool or the south pool or neither (Don't I wish).
>JP   DOn't get me wrong, this is a great game but some of the arcade type
>JP  aspects are kind of a pain in the butt.  Especially when it takes so
>JP  long (on my machine anyway) to load or save a game.  Thanks in
>JP  advance for the help

You will need to go through the center doors in Stone Cove, using the create
golem spell.  Then head east and flip the lever to make a bridge across a
chasm.  Go back to the west and head north across the bridge.  Follow this
and  jump across the dissapearing pads.  You will come to a gate you can't
get  through, go east to the end of the passageway, there will be a chest
here  containing the key to the gate.  Go back to the gate and go through it.
You  will come to a passage way that will take you east or west, go west and
south into the room with the stones you have to jump across, jump across them
and get the key off of the island.  Exit this room back to the passage way
east, go east and walk around the outside edge of the water to the otherside.
Head  east passing a VERY thin passageway to the north, then at the next
thin  passageway to the north go north.  Follow this around and jump over the
water,  you will now be at a locked door.  Use the key you found on the
island on the  locked door.  Go through the locked door and follow the
passageway.  Watch out here, there will be alot of falling stalagtites.  Go
around another pool of water. and head up the eastern passage way, DO NOT
TAKE THE CENTER ONE, IT IS A TELEPORTER BACK TO THE BEGINNING.  Down the
eastern passage way is where you  will find Lithos.

Layterz,
Jerm...


Message #94 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 11:53
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Eric Levin
Subj: Re: Mythran
Previous Reply is Message #52.

Hey Eric,

>EL  How come when I buy reagents from Mythran they keep disappearing???
>EL  How do you cast the Thaumaturgical spells?
>EL

If your bag is full, he will sell them to you, but they will dissappear.
Make  sure you have enough weight left to hold them.

Layterz,
Jerm..


Message #96 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 12:07
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Andrew Riffel
Subj: Re: Finding door to leithos
Previous Reply is Message #60.

Hey Andrew,

>AR  I have finished the path of the necromancer's and am now supposed to
>AR  find Stone Cove. I have read your answers to other people's
>AR  question's but can't find the door you are talking about. The room
>AR  where I fell through is gone now and only a ghoul that doesn't move
>AR  is where it used to be. I go to the east and then south and find a
>AR  door. When I go through this door and go south I come to a dead end
>AR  with a pit of skeletons off to the west, but no gate or falling
>AR  stalagmites. If I go east from this door I can cross a pool of water
>AR  and on the other side is a read gate with two orbs of electrcity on
>AR  top, but going through this also leads to a dead end. Please help me
>AR  I'm going crazy. This is the best of the ultima games in my opinion
>AR  but i'm quickly getting frustrated by this problem.
>AR

You go into the UPPER CATACOMBS.  And go to the area where you fell through
to meet the Necromancers.  It is not important whether the ghoul is moving or
not, as long as that is the building you fell through. FROM THIS BUILDING
head  east until you can't go east any longer.  Then head south, you will see
puddles on the the floor here, and then continue to follow this around to a
door and a bunch of skeletons.  Go through the door and take an IMMEDIATE
turn  to the south, keep going down this passage way south until you can go
no  further there will be a gate and falling stalagtites here.  If you really
need  more help I am putting a map of this area in the User Files area for
people to  download.

Layterz,
Jerm...


Message #97 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 12:14
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Steve Holmes
Subj: Re: Air and Water Plot
Previous Reply is Message #62.

Hey Steve,

>SH  O.K. I thought if I ever got stuck I could just read all the messages
>SH  and answers and squek by the tough spots, imagine my extreme shock
>SH  when I read your message about the very bad person who uploaded the
>SH  virus.  I just feel sorry for you guys who have to kill the virus
>SH  then put up with all of us unhappy BBS user's, well things happen you
>SH  know.
>SH
>SH  My question is this.  I did the earth plot and killed K-Gor and
>SH  recieved the blackrock tip of his, is the the stone of earth everyone
>SH  is talking about?  I  then continued on to the air plot where I
>SH  passed all the tests and became an Adept of Stratos, and asked her to
>SH  give me the breath of life.  She said Stellos knew where it was, but
>SH  she wouldn't give it to me.  So I talked to him and he said it was
>SH  with her, so I went back to her, and still no luck.  Also, how do I
>SH  start the water plot, I talked to Devon, and he says nothing about
>SH  nothing.  So please help me

Depending on what you have done the Titans may not give you what you want.
Your best bet is to do the Water and Fire Plots and come back for the Breath
of Wind and other things you are suppose to collect.  You will need them for
the end, but you don't need them right now anyway.  The water plot starts at
Carthax Lake which is just to the east of the entrance to Stone Cove in the
Upper Catacombs.  There will be two metal doors that go up and down as you
flip the levers, if you look really close on the wall there will be a second
lever that will open up the wooden plank beside the metal doors.  Go through
there and bingo you are to where the water plot begins.

Layterz,
Jerm...


Message #102 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 12:36
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Brett Johnson
Subj: Re: Ultra Sound support?
Previous Reply is Message #82.

Hey Brett,


>BJ  I saw the patch in the upload directory that allowed Ultima 8 to run
>BJ  with the Gavis Ultrasound, What ever happened to this? And where can
>BJ  I currently get this if I want it?
>BJ

I deleted it, because we do not support the GUS in any way with U8 and to
have  the patch up may cause confusion as to whether we support it or not.  I
suggest leaving a public message to all asking who it was that uploaded it,
maybe they can tell you where to get it from.

Layterz,
Jerm...


Message #106 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 12:59
From: Kelly Roberts
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: how come?

if this bbs has 4 nodes how come every time i call, 1st its busy for 15  min.
then as soon as i log on i check to see who's on-line and its just  'lil 'ol
me and no one else. this confuses me greatly as i would like  to chat with
others.

Message #107 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 13:02
From: Kelly Roberts
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: ?time best 2 chat

what is the best time to call and expect to find the sysop on-line also
ive chated twice this way and it seems to be the best way learn about  the
games and minimize confusion

Message #108 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 13:05
From: Kelly Roberts
To:   All
Subj: maps!!!

who's is going to be the first to draw an ansi map of Tenebrea and the
catacombs and whatever else i haven't discovered, then upload it!!!
be sure to put it in EPS form ( ask someone if you don't know what it
means)

Message #109 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 12:31
From: Bob Greenfield
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: MAP!!

Please put up that map of the catacombs in the files!
i am on the "pilgramage" quest and i cannot find any building marked "twards
fate do you travel" or anything like that!  Even a general location (such as
in northeast section) would help!  I am trying to find the grave to cast
open  ground on!  This quest is poorly done if you ask me....the necromancer
tells  me to go to the pit of death! Yet the messages you write say that i
must go to  the upper catacombs!   What's the deal?  And i agree with whoever
said he can  never get through....i get a busy signal 99% of the time and
when i finally DO  get through, it usually freezes and i dont get any
connection  messages....however, since the virus it does seem a little
better....


Message #110 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 13:08
From: Kelly Roberts
To:   All
Subj: stone cove

ive been wandering around and calling here and wandering around some  more,
but i haven't this stone cove. does anyone have directions?
2.   does anyone know where the skull of quakes is
3.   how do i get into the 'towards fate do you travel' room
if you say 'golem' then where is the mud that i invoke him from?

Message #112 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 14:13
From: Jennie Hazen
To:   Michael Hauck
Subj: Re: stuck on pilgrimage
Previous Reply is Message #74.  Next Reply is Message #113

Hi Micheal,

I'm stuck trying to find this skeleton where you cast Open Earth.  I have
the Key of the Scion, and I've opened the door of Fate in the Catacombs.
I know where the chest is and I've explored the caves, gotten the Skull
of Quakes etc.  Can you help me?

Thanks,

Jennie


Message #113 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 14:23
From: Jennie Hazen
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Re: stuck on pilgrimage
Previous Reply is Message #112.  Next Reply is Message #115

>DO  Use the key Scion to open this door and then enter.  Go down stairs
>DO  and west across the lava until the passage turns north.  At this
>DO  location there is a dead body with a book that talks about Zealans
>DO  and their Ceremonial Shield. Go north, through the door and continue
>DO  in the that direction PAST some rolling spike balls, and a
>DO  double-door on the WEST wall.  Then head EAST, follow it in that
>DO  direction until the passage breaks off into a Three way split.  Go
>DO  west, the way you came from, North to a fenced in area, and East to a
>DO  square room with a locked door on the North wall, and five levers
>DO  with a chest in the center.
>DO  If you need further help, let me know.

Hi Jerm,

I've gotten this far and explored beyond the locked doors with the
key I found in the chest; but am clueless where to go next.  I've
found the skull of quakes, but no statues or other things of interest.
There is a ledge it looks like I should be able to climb on at the
end of a N/S tunnel with a spiked ball, but I can't seem to do it.
What do I do now?

Thanks,

Jennie

BTW: Sorry about your virus problem, that's a nasty thing to do.


Message #114 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 14:26
From: Jennie Hazen
To:   John Parmley
Subj: Re: necromancer fun
Previous Reply is Message #92.

>JP  far as the blue light/mushroom area.  I got through the next door and
>JP  can go either north or south to pools of water with floating rocks.
>JP  I really hate those things.  Where do I go from there.  Do I cross
>JP  the north pool or the south pool or neither (Don't I wish).
>JP   DOn't get me wrong, this is a great game but some of the arcade type
>JP  aspects are kind of a pain in the butt.  Especially when it takes so
>JP  long (on my machine anyway) to load or save a game.  Thanks in
>JP  advance for the help

I agree heartily with your sentiments.  I believe you want the Northern
pools.  I have to save each step that is stable in these arcade sequences
and I hate it!  I do like the new climb feature a lot though.  Also I
think we should be able to learn to swim.  Maybe that comes later.

Hope this helps,

Jennie


Message #115 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 14:30
From: Jennie Hazen
To:   Michael Hauck
Subj: Re: stuck on pilgrimage
Previous Reply is Message #113.  Next Reply is Message #139

>MH  where  you left off in your message.  The "rolling spheres" I am
>MH  talking about are the little red, green, and blue ones that are past
>MH  the fence puzzle area, which is right before the five levers.  My
>MH  present location is the area around the cerimonial shield.  I have

Aha!  I've explored the fence maze, but found no little rolling spheres
room or levers or doors or shields--Can you tell me how to get there from
the other side of the fence maze.  Perhaps I can't find it because I cheated
and climbed on the table rather than figure out the maze?

Thanks,

Jennies


Message #116 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 14:40
From: Jennie Hazen
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Trouble connecting

Hi Dan or Jerm,

You don't need to reply to this, but I have a lot of busy signals before
I can get in, and then my modem often freezes after I call (Supra 14.4).
The only line which doesn't freeze is the 12000 line.  I don't know why
since I don't have this problem with any other BBS's.  Busy signals are
easy, you simply need another line or two; the other is a tad baffling.

Bye for now,

Jennie


Message #117 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 14:07
From: Darryl Brown
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Sticks
Next Reply is Message #153

I know I just started playing Ultima 8... but I'm stuck.
I can't find the proper stick to give the Necromancer with the
executioner's hood.  I have the hoods, and a bunch of sticks from the  plain,
but I can't find one stick in the west... could you please give  me specific
directions on how to get to it?  Thanks

Message #119 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 14:50
From: Kelly Roberts
To:   All
Subj: stone cove
Next Reply is Message #152

im looking for the stone cove. people keep telling me i shouls go to  place
with no roof and fall through the ground like i did the first  time to get to
the necros. but i cant find it i walked out of the cats.  through the
entrance i opened with 'open ground'. then came back to  make sure i didnt
miss anything. when i first walk in, towards the  south, there is a piece of
floor that fell through and there is dirt  underneath, instead of lava, but
it doesn't do me any good. if you know  where this room with no roof is, i
would appreciate some help. feel  free to use land marks like "kaylith the
treasurer" "towards fate do  you travel" "lower catacombs" "4 skeletons lined
up on a wall" "4  skeletons facing 4 directions" what am i missing!

Message #120 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 14:38
From: Brian Reinhardt
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: u8 pagan help
Next Reply is Message #151

I'm having a problem finding the sticks that i need for a spell  compnent to
learn the first necromatic spell i've searched the area  south west of the
city thourghly, especially the sunken area with the  ghost and ghouls. what
am i missing?

Message #122 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 14:58
From: Carter Keller
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: The Breath Lockup

I also have had problems with the breath of air.  The game works perfectly up
to that point but once I use the Breath of air on Stratos The game freezes
when I get transported.  I thought I installed with a bare bones boot disk
but  just in case I reinstalled and used the save games --- same result. I
think I  posted a letter the day before the virus wiped everything out and it
seemed  like there were about 10 other messages regarding the same problem.
I have a  gateway2K pentium which has givin me problems with other programs
before, but  how could it be fixed? could it be a bug? Mabye a patch file to
fix it?  Thanks Dan and I'm sorry about the virus.


Message #123 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 15:45
From: Bret Taylor
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Money
Next Reply is Message #150

I just got this program and haven't been able to figure out how to get  money
to buy weapons?  Can you help?  Also I love these games.  My  first game ever
on an old Apple computer way back when was Ultima 1.  I  don't miss a thing
you put out!!    Bret
q

Message #124 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 15:14
From: Rob Johnston
To:   Jason Hasenbuhler
Subj: Re: Fire Titan
Previous Reply is Message #79.  Next Reply is Message #125

>JH        That is the way to the fire titan...oh no! Guess you'll have to
>JH  start over...
>JH
>JH           Just kidding...I had the same problem there. There is a
>JH  switch, on a post to the left of that broken switch. It's really hard
>JH  to see, but once you know where to look you'll find it. Throw the
>JH  switch and use the Scion key on the door. The Sorceror's Enclave
>JH  awaits..
>JH
>JH                                           Jay
>JH
Ah.. Funny guy! Hehe thanks guy... Really appreciate it... I have been
looking forever... Took to searching the Pit of Death :)  THANK YOU! :)

RJ

Message #125 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 15:16
From: Rob Johnston
To:   Steve Holmes
Subj: Re: Fire Titan
Previous Reply is Message #124.  Next Reply is Message #131

>SH  Could you please tell me where you got the Heart of Earth?s
>SH
Sure... you ahve to go to the place where you opened the double doors  to
talk to the Lithos... theres a door to the east of it blocking a  cave (it
looks like it goes nowhere).. use the key of scion on it and go in there...
you have to look around and get the key from the pit of death and enter the
place where there are big double doors locked... theres a grave and lots of
skeletong... cast open earth near the grave and the heart pof earth is
sitting in the hole... lates!

Message #126 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 16:13
From: Tim Rouse
To:   All
Subj: Hydros
Next Reply is Message #147

Talk about frustrating.  Every message about Hydros I've seen tells how  the
sender has already found and/or released Hydros.  I sent a message  before
the messages crashed asking for help on this, so if anyone  helped me,
thanks, but Now I have to ask again :
        WHERE CAN I FIND HYDROS?????
I have completed the Necromancer/Lithos quests, I have the Heart of  Earth,
I am a theurgist, and I have the Breath of Air.  I have help  Devon get the
throne in Tenebrae.  Now what?  I have looked everywhere  (well, not
everywhere; had I looked everywhere, I would have found  her.).  If anyone
can help, believe me, I will GREATLY appreciate it.

Message #127 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 16:29
From: [1 1r
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: can't find lithos
Next Reply is Message #146

I have finished with the Necromancers, and am looking for the area that
contains lithos. I have searched high and low in the catacombs and can't even
find the entrance to Stone Cover. I've found the Pits of Death.. the door to
the lower catacombs, the door that says To Your Fate You GO. Where is the
area  that will (finally) lead me to Stone Cove and Lithos?? Thanks, Sandi


Message #128 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 16:33
From: Kelly Roberts
To:   All
Subj: i made the golem

ok i made the golem and got him to open the double doors and the single  one
next to it.
1. is there anything else important in this area  that i should know  about
before i go through these doors?
2. when am i gonna use 'resist death'
3. through the double doors there is a building w/ 2 statues of dragons  two
winches a torture chair and two floor levers. ...??...
4. if i remember correctly through the single door is the coventicle of  the
dead.
..
which way do i go, and are there any points of interest i have missed

Message #131 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 17:36
From: Rob Johnston
To:   Jason Hasenbuhler
Subj: Re: Fire Titan
Previous Reply is Message #125.  Next Reply is Message #144

Uhh are you sure you and I are talking of the same spot?  I just went  and
checked... OK!  Heres EXACTLY where I am.  If you teleport to  Carthax Lake,
go through the cave onj the screen when you teleport, and  go NorthEast, you
come to that light-lazer that goes back to the  ghost... I went to the SECOND
light-lazer that guards a passage to the  east (its right south of the other
one).. in there, theres this place  with a pit of skeletons and bones and
stuff, and south of that is a  door blocked by the wall with two metal plates
in front of it... i  pulled that lever, one went up, the other down, and it
broke... I  searched all around that lever and STILL dont see a switch.. am i
in  the wrong spot or am i  blind?  :)  Also... how do you get devion to
give you the tear of seas?  Thanks!

Message #132 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 18:25
From: Bernard Lin
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Ultima8-Pilgrimage

Hi sysop,
        I really need help now.  Vividos told me to go to Morein's
birthplace.  I know that I should go into the door with the "Fate"  thing,
then I entered the large double door with "Do not enter" then I  finished the
Zealan Quest, but I still haven't found what  I'm supposed  to find on the
pilgrimage quest yet.  Is there really a birthplace?   What should I do in
order to get Vividos to tell me other stuff other  than "you should go on a
pilgrimage?"  Also, what should I do after the  Necromancer quest, can you
just give me a start?
        Oh, another question.  I have a 486DX-66 computer with 8megs of
RAM, Local Bus, etc... and a Sound Blaster Pro music card.  When I  first go
the game, the game speed was quite fast, but after I met  Lithos, the speed
started draggin a bit.  I tried turning off speed  limit, animations, etc.
but nothing works.  Do you have any idea on  what I should do?
        Finally, why is it that when I call at night(around 10:00  Pacific
time) that the phone just keeps on ringing on and on and  on......like the
energizer bunny?  Are you guys open 24hrs a day or  do you turn off the
computer? Thanks for answering all these questions.  Bye!
                                                Bernie Lin

Message #136 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 20:00
From: Steven Burns
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Help in Stone Cove/To Lithos
Next Reply is Message #143

Hi, I usually don't write directly to the sysops, BUT!?.
I have just gone to Stone Cove, past the disappearing bridge and I am  now
on the small alcove with the Golem (What a pain he is).  Well, I  have been
trying to get across this chasm with the  disappearing/reappearing floating
block for days and I cannot seem to get across (I have probably resumed my
saved game about 30-40 times already.  I really love the game, but how do I
get across this chasm.
I know this may seem rude, but please don't say to practice until I get  it
right.
Any help would be graetly appreciated.
PS. Is there any way to get "AKLABETH".  I have EVERY ULTIMA game  except
this one.  I know it was the prototype to Ultima 1 that Richard  Garriot
wrote.  If not, that's ok, but it never hurts to ask.
Steven Burns

Message #138 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 19:45
From: Dan Crookston
To:   All
Subj: 5 question test

I was trring to take the test given to me by the healers. Can someone help me
with the answers.  Like where to sit on a cool evening, and joinging the
war,  and what to tell your dying lord.
                                                        Thanks,
                                                          Dan


Message #139 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 21:13
From: Michael Hauck
To:   Jennie Hazen
Subj: Re: stuck on pilgrimage
Previous Reply is Message #115.

Hey Jennie,

>JH  Aha!  I've explored the fence maze, but found no little rolling
>JH  spheres
>JH  room or levers or doors or shields--Can you tell me how to get there
>JH  from
>JH  the other side of the fence maze.  Perhaps I can't find it because I
>JH  cheated
>JH  and climbed on the table rather than figure out the maze?
>JH
>JH  Thanks,
>JH
>JH  Jennies

        Once you get past the fence puzzle, go left and around the corner.
At  the end of the hall is a ledge you must climb up.  Right after that is a
pool  you must jump over.  From there take the first right and there will be
a grave  with the reagents for an open ground spell.  Cast it on the grave.
Go down  the hole and explore.  There are several locked doors that I opened
using a  create golem spell. , I don't know if there are keys for them.
Also, the room  with the levers is down the hall from the fence puzzle room.
The shield is  accessed by another locked door that I had a golem open.  That
door is the  first locked one after the big double doors which open up the
area.

I hope that helps.

Michael


Message #140 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 21:26
From: Audrey Peters
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: stack error

I got an error saying "Out of ring zero stacks I=0D A=02E0"

What is wrong?

Audrey Peters


Message #141 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 21:08
From: Devon Jorlett
To:   Pat Dietz
Subj: Re: Necro spells
Previous Reply is Message #61.

to cast spells you put the reagents in a seperate bag then use the caretakers
key on it.  the spells that you will learn are mask of death, stone flesh,
earthquake,  call undead, etearnal peace, open earth, call golem.`


Message #143 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 22:01
From: Jeff Crowley
To:   Steven Burns
Subj: Re: Help in Stone Cove/To Lithos
Previous Reply is Message #136.

The method that worked the best for me was to set yourself up where you can
use standing jumps to get across the couple of platforms until you get to
solid ground.  By this I mean put yourself in a position where all you have
to do is jump, jump, jump and land on solid ground (and  then save).  Don't
try to realign yourself on the disappearing  platforms because you won't have
time.  Also begin jumping when you  first see the platform appear.  It will
take you a second to begin and  execute your jump and you can land on a
platform that isn't fully  formed.  This will give you a few extra seconds to
get across.  Hope  that helps.

Message #144 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 22:06
From: Jeff Crowley
To:   Rob Johnston
Subj: Re: Fire Titan
Previous Reply is Message #131.

I only know the answer to your first question.  Close to the large  lever
that lowers and raises alternate doors there is a post that is  the same
color as the wall (I think red) and on it is a small switch.   It is very
hard to see. It will open a secret door in the wooden part of the wall and
not the metal raising/lowering doors.  The post I am talking about is west of
the metal gates and just a little north.  It looks like a disconnected
portion of the wall.  I hope that helps.

Message #145 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 23:01
From: Jason Gillman
To:   All
Subj: Pilgrimage or K-gor...

Two things, one is a question, the other help. the question is this: on the
pilgrimage, when you're looking for K-gor, I've crossed the water and passed
through the grave, then wandered around for a bit, got the skull of quakes,
and now I'm stuck in front of three pressure plates that control stair-like
things, what do I need to do here, I can see two pale, smoky beams of light,
but can't get up there, what am I missing?

2nd part: as far as the colored "rolling balls" (NOT the spiky ones) just
grab  the skull that's lying on the floor, toss it over the fence, onto the
platform/fencepost, type thing, and the gate opens...good luck.


Message #146 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 22:14
From: Jeff Crowley
To:   [1 1r
Subj: Re: can't find lithos
Previous Reply is Message #127.

The minute you walk through the door from the Upper catacombs into the  cave,
that is stone cove.  Go south through stone cove, I don't think  you have to
go through any doors (locked or otherwise).  You should end  up in a huge
room after going through a cave entrance.  Just east of this entrance are two
sets of doors, one tower doors (the big ones) and a regular door. (Just south
of this area is the Deceiver, an axe if I remember right, you have to jump
across the water on the little toadstools of rock and it is sitting on an
altar guarded by a  skeleton.)  You should have the key to the tower doors
and through  there is lithos, way through there.  Hope that helps.

Message #147 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 22:25
From: Jeff Crowley
To:   Tim Rouse
Subj: Re: Hydros
Previous Reply is Message #126.  Next Reply is Message #148

Have you been to the large dried up lake in Stone cove? (I forget the  name
of the lake but there are fish bones everywhere.)  If you have,  walk around
the south side of the lake from the entrance to this area  and head east
hugging the edge of the lake.  You will see a bridge heading north, walk out
on it and jump to the next set of bridges and head north again.  Just on the
other side of the bridges is a small island, just north of there you will see
a white bridge or platform heading west.  This white bridge leads out onto a
small landing with a  shark? insignia on the floor.  As you walk out there
hydros appears.
-------
If you haven't found this lake, it is in stone cove south of the  original
entrance.  I think that it is the entrance after the one to  Argentrock Isle
as you are heading south.  It is through a locked door  that requires the
scion key.  Sorry my directions aren't more detailed,  I know it is in stone
cove, but I found it by wandering around and just  happened upon it.  Also
just east of the entrance to this area is a  teleport platform that you can
activate with the recall item gem.  Hope  that helps.

Message #148 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 14-Apr-94 22:27
From: Jeff Crowley
To:   Tim Rouse
Subj: Re: Hydros
Previous Reply is Message #147.  Next Reply is Message #158

Back again.  The name of the lake is Carthax lake.

Message #150 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 22:36
From: Jeff Crowley
To:   Bret Taylor
Subj: Re: Money
Previous Reply is Message #123.

Go east out of the city and look for a small house that has a chest? inside
on the far east wall.  As you approach the chest, you fall through hole in
the floor.  There is a ogre there waiting for you, head west and read the
book on the pedestal.  You have to continue the quest  because you can't get
back out. (At least there's no way I know of.)   At the end of this quest you
will get the Slayer mace, your first magic  weapon.  Very cool, every time
you kill something with it lightning  strikes and you hear a loud thunder
clap.  There is a place, I believe  that it is under where you get the
Slayer, that teleports you back  outside the city.  As for money, you can
steal it as long as no one is  in the screen at the time, kill monsters but
if you don't have money to buy weapons you probably can't do that very well,
or if you try hard enough you can steal weapons from the weaponsmith that
sells them (along with some armor).  Hope that helps.

Message #151 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 22:43
From: Jeff Crowley
To:   Brian Reinhardt
Subj: Re: u8 pagan help
Previous Reply is Message #120.

IF you mean the sticks that are near "where the spirits roam" (or  something
like that) there is an abandoned house inside Tenebrae's  walls, I think in
the north part of town.  You walk north then follow a  path that heads east
and there will be a dirt trail that leads north.   Follow the dirt trail and
you will end up at the abandoned house.   There is a ghost and some ghouls
there.  On the south side of the house  in the corner is a dead tree with
some sticks scattered around.  Those  are the sticks you need.  If you are
talking about the reagent wood,  that is something different.  That looks
like a little pile of grass  with some red spots (not much like wood, huh?).
If you click on these  piles it should identify them as piles of wood.  Hope
that helps.

Message #152 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 22:48
From: Jeff Crowley
To:   Kelly Roberts
Subj: Re: stone cove
Previous Reply is Message #119.

From the "towards fate" door you have to travel east and south.  It is  about
as far as you can travel east.  You may have to north some to get  further
east.  After you are way east start heading south.  If you pass  the big
ledge that look like it leads to the cave wall you are almost there, head
further south.  There is a short passage east that leads to a door that
enters a cave. That is stone cove.  Hope that helps.

Message #153 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 22:50
From: Jeff Crowley
To:   Darryl Brown
Subj: Re: Sticks
Previous Reply is Message #117.

Read message #151.

Message #154 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 14-Apr-94 22:53
From: Jeff Crowley
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Convent of dead

How do I get into the Conventicle of the dead?  What is inside?  I have
tried to use the create golem spell to open doors but it doesn't work.  What
do I point the crosshairs at, the door or what?

Message #155 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 15-Apr-94 00:21
From: Chris Kauth
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: ultima8 water cave

i just started playing ultima 8 and i'm not too familar with how to use  this
bbs system. I'm stuck at the lever area that opens the gates to  the first
necromancer, does anyone know what combination will open the  gates ? thanks.

Message #156 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 15-Apr-94 00:05
From: Scott Mcgillivray
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: KEY

I am stuck (again!).  I am in the room with the three statues.  They tell me
to go through the door behind them, but I cannot find a key for the life of
me.  I realize that I cannot raise a golem to open it for me because there is
no dirt there and he will not walk through doors.   Please help me so I can
finish my pilgramage (sp?)  Also, is it  possible to download all the
messages from a particular section (ie.  Ultima 8) for viewing without
spending a mint on long idstance  charges?

Message #158 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 15-Apr-94 01:51
From: Tim Rouse
To:   Jeff Crowley
Subj: Re: Hydros
Previous Reply is Message #148.

Thanks.  I have now spoken with Hydros.  She told me to open the grave  of
someone's lover.  Where is this grave?  Is it in the catacombs, or  the
graveyard.  If it has a gravestone, what name should I look for?  I  saw a
message earlier the Sysop left someone, telling the Kilandra's  daughter's
grave was in the west part of the cemetary.  I can find it,  but Open Ground
has no effect on it.  What do I do?  Anyway, thanks for  your help earlier.

Message #159 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 15-Apr-94 07:47
From: Mark Davis
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: spells casting soccerrs

I,m trying to cast my first spell creat flame and nothing happens when i
double click on the pentgram.  I know i have the correct reagents and
candles.  I have cast spells in the library but when i do the test with Bane
nothing  happens.  It does not say something is wrong like when I did the
spells in the library and i didn't have things correct. Is she doing
something to prevent me from casting.  My intell. is at 17 does it need to be
higher.  Please let me know.  Thanks Mark Davis.


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